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Pojo's Pokemon Card of the Day

 

Empoleon FB Lv 50 SV

Supreme Victors

Date Reviewed: 10.23.09

Ratings & Reviews Summary

Modified: 2.50
Limited: 3.00

Ratings are based on a 1 to 5 scale.
1 being the worst. 
3 ... average.  
5 is the highest rating.

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Meganium45
Can you say ALMOST playable!!!

May become very playable when fire heats up in AA!!!

90 HP SP Basic with a weakness to luxray, I mean lightning, and no resistance and a retreat cost of 2…

VERY bad bottom stats in the current envio.

Attacks, 2 for 20, and move an energy from the defending Pokemon to one of your opponent’s other Pokemon. Dude, YOU CHOOSE. Can you see all those energies stacked on Claydol for fun!!! Could be a real problem for a low energy deck like Beedrill, or SP, but who am I kidding, they all have 1 energy attacks, and this thing gets wiped out in a hit!!!

3 for 40 or 60 due to your playing a supporter. 3 for 60 is about par for the course these days. Make it 3 for 80…and you would have me happy. Underpowered, even with the Energy Gain possibility.

Ratings…for now…Modified..2.5/5 May go up if fire takes off.

Limited…3.5/5 Good, high HP and that move energy attack can be frustrating!!!

See you at my prereleases…Saturday at GameNite in South County Mall, and Sunday at Heroic Adventures in Edwardsville, Illinois!!!
Baby Mario
Top 4 UK Nats
Empoleon FB Lv 50 SV

The second DP starter Pokémon to get the SP treatment after Infernape. Still no sign of a Torterra SP, so I guess we will have to settle for Turtwig GL.

Empoleon FB has a solid 90 HP, a Weakness to Lightning which isn’t good with Luxray GL in so many decks, and a [C][C] Retreat cost which isn’t so bad as you always have the option of PokeTurn, along with all the other great SP Support.

Empoleon’s first attack, Rushing Water, is a little expensive at [W][C] for 20 damage, but there is always Energy Gain, and its effect of switching an Energy from the Defending Pokémon to another of your opponent’s Pokémon is potentially annoying for them. If you move it to a non-attacking Pokémon like Claydol or Azelf LA, it almost works like a discard and can set an opponent back a turn.

The real selling point of Empoleon is Escort, its second attack. For [W][C][C], it only does 40 damage . . . unless you have a Supporter in play, in which case it will do 60. That extra 20 might not sound like much, but it brings popular Fire SP Pokémon like Blaziken FB and Infernape 4 into OHKO range. The requirement to have a Supporter in play is not difficult for an SP deck to achieve either, seeing as they run four copies of Cyrus’s Conspiracy.

Unlike Infernape 4, Empoleon FB doesn’t have the kind of devastating attack that you can build a deck around. However, in a format where Fire Pokémon are common, it definitely has a role to play as a tech. Energy Gain and Bronzong 4’s Galactic Switch mean that it can be powered up on the turn it comes into play to get a revenge KO on the likes of Blaziken FB. That could well be enough to justify a place in an SP Toolbox style deck, or even as an anti-Fire tech in a new build of the old Tank Dialga G decks which lost their ability to wall effectively once the big-hitting Fire SP Pokémon were released.

Up until now, SP decks have lacked a techable Water Pokémon. Palkia G really needs it’s own deck and the other Water SPs like Gyarados G and Mamoswine GL were either underpowered or needed too much Energy to be run as a tech. Empoleon FB just could be the card to take that role.

Rating

Modified: 3 (A useful tech in the current environment)
Limited: 1.75 (No SP Support in the set, lack of Supporters to use with the second attack)
Steel_Winger Welcome back to the Pokemon COTD!

Today we'll be reviewing Empoleon FB, a Rare SP in Supreme Victors. Let's look at the basics: 90 HP is average for an SP Pokemon, but it's on the higher side of average. Water-type: advantage over Infernape 4 and any other Fire-type you'd see. x2 Weakness means it's easy for Luxray GL LV. X to pick it off. No Resistance is expected, and a Retreat Cost of 2 is fitting, but not really that good for competitive play. Well, you still have Poke Turn, and all of the other Support that comes with being an SP Pokemon.

No Powers or Bodies, but there are 2 attacks. The first, Rushing Water, does 20 for a Water and another energy of choice (or just the Water with Energy Gain). After damage, you have to move an energy from the Defending Pokemon to another of your opponent's Pokemon. Not the best of effects, but it can be an early-game disruptor. If you can help it, put the energy on a Pokemon that's not likely to attack; Dusknior (DP), Claydol (GE), or Dialga G LV. X. You can also move the energy on a Pokemon that it doesn't match.

Escort, for 3 energies (or 2 with Energy Gain), one which must be Water, does 40 damage, which is bumped up to 60 if you played a Supporter in the same turn. Usually you'll be playing a Supporter every turn early to mid-game, so the extra damage will come quite often.

Is Empoleon FB good in competitive play? It can be, as an early-game tech, but beyond that, it's not really useful.

Ratings:

Modified: 2.75/5 Early game disruption is alright, but Empoleon FB does it differently then others we would usually see as game disruptors. Still, it can hold it's own for a bit of a while.
Limited: 3/5 Even more so here. If you have a few in Limited, they make good starters. Escort probably won't be that powerful, but it's somewhat decent.

This is Steel_Winger, until next time!
Guy SP pokemon are always interesting. One needs to check for subtle combos that can be played with them. But I don't know what exactly could be combo'd with Empoleon FB. The first attack is the good attack in my opinion. For 2 energy you can move an energy card attached to the defending pokemon to another one and do 20 damage. Essentially, all you have to do to avoid being annoyed by this is power up your pokemon on the bench, then knock this thing out. 60 damage for 3 energy for the second attack is not very amazing, and double weakness to lightning is really not amazing. All in all, if you like Empoleon, play the "surf together" one.

Modified: 1.75/5
Limited: 3/5 (not as bad here, decent hp basic with pretty decent attacks)


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