Subject: Rant- Anyone have a tip that works? -Chet Li I'm not sure what Han Man was thinking when he posted the "killer move" of his. This wouldn't even work against a monkey. In no particular order... mirror force only destroys face up monsters so there's a good chance that the field wont be clear of monsters. Also you would have to use heavy storm to wipe out the opponents magic and or trap cards so you don't get hit with spellbinding circle, trap hole or any other of the numerous cards that would put a stop to that strategy. so any "killer move" that uses 13 cards that could be stopped by one card can't be that "killer". It's bizare amount of tips that I've seen that start out with 'if you have these 40 cards and they are all in the right order in your deck and your opponent is a small woodland animal, like say a bunny or maybe a woodchuck, then you can wipe him out in 10 or 20 turns with this awesome combo I've just figured out that noone in the world could have come up with because I'm a 13 year old super genius and am the! best at duel monsters because I've seen the cartoon like 5 times and I have yugi-oh pillow cases.' ( that last quote may have been paraphrased a little :) ) Here's a better move for everyone who has tips like these. Take all your cards and sell them. Take all the money, buy a shovel and "trap hole" yourself. --- Chet Li --- chet@thetruth.com p.s. Flame away I'm Fire Retardant. p.p.s If you 'think' your being clever by emailing me stating "it's more like you're fire 'retarted'" well you're not.