First you need the following Cards: Catapult Turtle Shadow Ghoul Change of Heart(Optional) Brain control(Japanese Players) Or Monster Reborn(Optional) First -make sure this is around the end of the duel! Second -if you don't have Catapult Turtle , and your opponent has one , use the Change of heart Card to control it , or for japanese players , brain Control and if none of these work you have one final shot and that its to use Reborn the Monster or Monster Reborn! Third -you will Place your shadow ghoul as a tribute as exchange of the Catapult Turtles effect. I would make sure you have lots of monster in your grave , because at the beginning , this combo is useless. Kev Johnston aka Bandit Kev - bandit_kev@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com