Eh..Nice try..But your forgetting about Hyper Beam..That can still take
energy away from Charizard and with no Trainers it's going to take
longer to get that big fire
spitter out and running..And unless most people have horrid hands you've
got to put
Oddish up as a active in order to get Dark Vileplume a running...and
there are Pokes
who can toast him in one hit..And what's to say you will be able to
retreat him? And may i ask..How will YOU do without your trainers as
well if you get him running so early in the game?..I allways thought of
DV as a middle to end game card really.And let's not forget
that you might get one Fire Spin out of him before you have to power him
up once more.Plus even with no trainers..More and more Pokes can hit the
bench or suck you out from it.


As for why Charizard is looked down on..It's been stated over and
over..Big..slow.
Energy burner..I'm still not pulling him out of my binder to put him in
a deck..Better
look harder..He's still got a number of foes out there...There's no real
help for him
till Gym 1 and Neo.

FoxStar

"Six Wings..Six Tails..Whole lot of trouble"