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TheMcShakeAlchemist
(Sean
Handy)
on Yu-Gi-Oh!
Mind Crush: Interviews with Hustlers May
10, 2012
Hey everyone! Thank you all so much for the
overwhelming feedback for my last article about hustling, I
didn't expect the kind of response it garnered at all!
Some of the feedback was good, albeit some bad, there were
some that came out of the woodworks for an interview*, so,
without further ado, here is the questionnaire I gave them;
including my thoughts on some of the answers.
1. How long have you been playing Yu-Gi-Oh?
Astley: I have been playing for about 3 years
Fluttershy: Ever since the Joey / Pegasus Starter decks were
in store, but I was really young then and actually decided
to use strategy around the time of the first structure decks
MP1: MRD->CRV Break LODT->TSHD Break STOR->Now
T-Pain: Since around 2002 or so (or around when the TCG was
introduced). What got me into it however is the Anime.
[Notice most of the people being interviewed here have been
playing the game for a long time]
2. How long did it take you to realize how to make a profit
in Yu-Gi-Oh?
Astley: It took about a year to realize that I could make
profit off of people. After first of course realizing that
people were profiting off of me. It's a bit daunting to go
to your first locals or regionals and have everyone who asks
to look at your book ask you constantly at what you value
cards.
Fluttershy: It was 5ds era and I was having fun running my
scrub decks - but I had no real way of making money at the
time. I had the right kind of people at my locals who
basically juiced themselves if I had the cards and I learned
to love bringing that kind of $ in. As time passed I became
less based on dueling and more based on having a strong
binder
MP1: Since i started playing in MRD. My brother and I would
tell people how a situational card was so broken and they
would believe us...lols
T-Pain: Around September of 2011, when I found the profiting
and deals thread there on Pojo.
[the thread is a real thing, but, it is not dedicated to
"hustling" & "juicing".]
3. Do you consider profiting off of other people to be
immoral? Why or Why not?
Astley: I believe the question here should be a bit more 2
dimensional. It could also be asked whether profiting off of
people is unethical as well. I will go into detail on both.
Immoral, no due to the nature of the idea of morals. If it
is in your morality code to make a dollar off someone and be
ok with it then it is fine. If morally you are broken up on
the inside unless you minus yourself hard on trades then
yeah. Ethically it's more of a bane on the game and the
player base. There is nothing worse to the community than
seeing a locals die. I have Watched locals just stop growing
because everybody was trying to get over on everyone else.
Also being a partner in a store for yugioh I see business
walk out the door and never come back because my regulars
are akin to sharks on a feeding frenzy when a new player
arrives. Not to mention that different people value cards
differently based on their interests in the game, collectors
vs competitors.
Fluttershy: Lying to them about values - yes. Just trying to
make a business - No, all businesses have to make a profit,
this is just my way how.
MP1: Not at all considering i give very fair offers while
still making a little bit of profit
T-Pain: I do not, because it's their job as a fellow player
to be aware of prices, as well as upcoming releases to an
extent. It's not my fault if they don't know what cards seem
like they will be good short or long-term.
[I can relate to Astley's viewpoint, that is similiar to
what my team did to the local tournies in Asheville, NC.]
4. Do you ever regret trades that you make?
Astley: When I first learned and comprehended trading and
trading up and for profit I ran rampant with deals that
would make your head spin. My books had everything and
people wanted a card they were going to pay dearly for it.
Often I would see a card I wanted and would downplay it as
if it was inconsequential to me and devalue it so the
trading party would have to throw in more value when I could
have easily one-for-one traded. This eventually made it
impossible for me to trade in certain stores because nobody
would ever pull out there books for me
Fluttershy: When I trade cards like Maxx C and Super Chain
Disappearance before their spike, all the freaking time
MP1: Of course, some trades in hindsight were bad but those
are few are far between
T-Pain: I do, especially when a card I traded skyrocketed
after a major event that same weekend.
[Shocker: Nobody likes losing money]
5. Is there a particular 'demographic' of people that are
generally better to trade with or try to turn a profit off
of?
Astley: Kids. They are very easy to get whatever you want
from them. They love the tv show so if it's a card in the
show then you know they want it. Also, new players at a
sneak peek are incredibly easy to get what you want from
them. I don't even buy my own entries I just walk around and
see what everyone has pulled and make lots of profit off of
trades that way. The beginning of tournaments like a
regionals or ycs are my biggest profiting days in history.
There is nothing more satisfying than seeing a guys run
around with his deck list filled out asking people if they
have a certain card. They will trade anything for it. At
this point I have changed my strategy to just asking what
people value their cards at and finding the one or two cards
they value low and trading for them. When people ask my
values I just give numbers a few dollars above and if they
go for it I know I'm making money and if not then they can
move. I never pressure trades just see what bait people are
willing to take and move on if they don't go for it.
Fluttershy: I try not to juice kids because they really
don't know better. If they really need a card, I let them
know the values before they do a trade and if they're still
ok with it, I'd be helping them.
MP1: People i've never seen before because if you go to a
lot of regionals around your area you know who the regulars
are. As for demographics its all about how to pick and
choose. For example:
Under 15: Choose whatever, but don't take their Stardust,
any type of God, any monster over 3000 ATK and no taking
Dark Magicians, Elemental Hero Neos, Stardust Dragon or
Utopia since every kid wants to play the main character's
deck
16-25: This is where the bulk of the players are. In this
area do not go for competitive cards unless they
specifically undervalue which will not happen often unless
he/she is a derp. This group of people is where you go for
the junk cards like Birdman, Cerburrel, Crusader of Endymion,
Plaguespreader, Exploder Dragon, Alector Soverign of
Something. Basically all the cards above have value but
don't see play so they won't give you a hard time when you
negotiate with them...Now if you ask for their BLS or
Leviair, they're going to give you a firm price that they
won't budge on. TLDR: Don't go for competitive cards!
25+: Haven't met many of these but the few that I met paid
pretty well...ie paid 45 cash for Secret unl Gaia before the
reprint
T-Pain: To be brutally honest, the "younger" players are
easiest to profit off of, as well as the easiest to trade
with in general.
[Probably the biggest controversy is here. People
generally are divided on trading with kids, especially if it
is for good cards. I'm not taking sides on either,
but, to present two bits
A. If the kid isn't going to play it anyway, then who cares
if he doesn't have it? Value is relative and if the
kid thinks a Card Car D is worth a Dark Magician, then it is
fair for him, and the person getting Card Car is happy as
well.
B. We know the Card Car is worth something, we know that
someone could give a lot for the Card Car and still get a
great deal, why rip the kid off that bad? In the eyes
of the law, ignorance is no excuse, why should it apply
here?]
6. Have you ever been 'hustled' yourself?
Astley: I used to get hustled all of the time. It's one of
those things that has become the norm in this game, whenever
you are starting out you will get hustled. You won't know
the price of every card in your book and he book you are
looking at. Learning card prices and predicting values is
not something that comes naturally, you have to study it
like a class in school.
Fluttershy: Yes, I learned from my mistakes and moved on,
learned who to not trade with again
MP1: Sure, if you count buying packs from stores.
T-Pain: I have; I was working out a trade with a friend,
where I thought I would be getting 3 of a card, but it
turned out the deal was for two of them, and they valued
them $20 over what the card was actually worth.
[Apparently, monkey see-monkey do is a very common
denominator here.]
7. What is your favorite trade that you have ever made in
Yugi?
Astley: I think in general my favorite trades involve making
meta calls right before the ban list and dumping cards that
are getting hit before they are leaked on the list
Fluttershy: Ooh, would have to be just about every
experience with my favorite customer. He buys cards at high
prices and has good stuff for trade. I got a case of Storm
of Ragnarok, and he was building Nordics. I had a good time.
MP1: Hyper Librarian that I bought from ideal808 for 17.95
and trading it for 2 Secret Fossil dyna before the reprint
and a rare chain disappearance
T-Pain: A trade where I was able to sell some wind-up stuff
I had "invested" in for over one hundred dollars, while the
cards themselves cost me about 25 dollars.
[When Pot of Duality was still $200 around YCS Charlotte
2011, I traded 8 super rare Dark World Dealings and
$100 for two Pot of Dualities off of a 'hustler'***)
8. Are you able to tell when other people are trying to
hustle you? How?
Astley: Yes. Once you figure out how to get over on somebody
it's really easy to see when it's being done to you
Fluttershy: Yes, just by knowing my values or when they try
to create an excuse for why a card's value is going to
change. For example: "Oh, Nat Beast is probably going to get
reprinted in the Gold Series" or "Oh, Inzektors are going to
get hit by the banlist soon"
MP1: The better his first page is the more likely he is to
be a juicer. If he has rows of maxx c and rows of zenmaines...avoid
this person. He knows his values. Also, if he uses a monster
binder/ultra pro the person has somewhat of an idea of what
he's doing.
T-Pain: I can, because they are trying to get more cards
that add up to beyond the cards I'm wanting.
[All of these are fantastic examples]
9. What is your favorite deck of all time? Why?
Astley: Plants I just loved all of the options it had and
the plays it could make
Fluttershy: Ooh, would have to be HERO. I had loads of fun
with that deck for a while, it's still very playable and I
just love Huge backrows. Gemini Spark is one of my favorite
cards in the game. Also, just about the entire deck comes
shiny. I like that.
MP1: Anti-Meta. Any type of anti-meta. I play Hero Beat, and
also Counter Fairys . I like grinding my opponents down and
I like the feeling of beating my opponent down with a lone
TKRO and playing the protect T-King game. Its really
amusing. It makes them feel bad cause 1 monster is killing
them. Lols was that overboard?
T-Pain: Quickdraw Plants, because it was my first serious/compeitive
deck.
[Most of these are tier 1 decks, nobody likes losing, but we
can see here there isn't a specific playstyle that applies
to the 'hustler' mentality, my favorites personally are the
Infernity Randomizer and Cookie Jar decks]
10. If it became impossible to profit off of trading in Yu-Gi-Oh,
would you still collect/play it?
Astley: Yeah I love this game you really can't quit it, just
take breaks from it
Fluttershy: The only way that would be possible is if Konami
made business decisions that would make it useless for a
vendor to ever buy product. I would dump all my cards and
play budget until the game dies.
MP1: Sure, but not to the extent I am now.
T-Pain: I would certainly still play, because I've never
made huge profit off the game.
[So we can see that, even if profiting is a core value or
habit in the game, there is still a love for the game
itself.]
11. Is there anything you would like to add as a 'warning'
against hustling or being hustled?
Astley: Be aware that it happens. In spite of how konami
promotes the game it is a cash game. They could learn a lot
from magic and start giving out cash pay outs so people rely
more on their skills to make money a opposed to the
secondary market for profit
Fluttershy: Just always know your values. Have a have and
wants list, with values next to them. Make sure you don't
make it so someone never wants to trade with you again,
don't brag, know a good deal when you see one, know what
cards are in demand at your locals, keep up with the P&SI
forum, and that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
MP1: A. If they ask you the value on a card and they say yes
too quickly, say you just remembered that your brother wants
the card and you can't trade it. Then go eBay it.
B. Look for people with school binders or Legendary
Collection binders. They 90% have no idea what they're
doing. Also if your really into trolling like my brother,
use a legendary collection binder yourself =)
C. McShake already said this but i have to emphasize that If
someone values his Leviair ultra at 40 and he askes you for
your T-King Secret Make sure to say its 55. And every card
he askes make sure its tripled so he gets mad. HAHA TROLLED
SON! (Make sure you have friends around so you don't get
jumped outside)
D. If you don't see anything in a binder, don't pick
something cause he pressures you...instead ask for cash
E. Only show 1 copy of a card in your book and if one of the
copies is damaged show that copy first or else he'll always
take the mint one.
F. For the shady people: If the person gives u full value on
a damaged card, give him the sleeve. ( I personally always
ask for my sleeve since i use all white sleeves in my book)
G. If you make your first page funny or amusing it makes you
seem like less of a profiter since usually profiters dont
make your first page funny. (McShake I will give u a link to
my picture after- you can insert it here)
H. If you get to meet a Yugioh Voicer. ie Dan Green, or the
Yusei guy then take 10 copies of the lowest rarity signature
card and get them all signed and then stuff one in your
binder. ie Dan Green DM Yusei Guy Stardust. You can value it
at double the value
I. Do not say juice, profit, hustle, plus at any event. I
want to be seen as a derp who doesn't know anything, not
anything else.
J. My brother taught me this: Even if the deal is good
enough, keep pushing. ie My friend asked a guy how much for
his Duality x2 and Tking individually. The guy said 8s on
Duality and 4 on Tking. Then my friend said how much for it
all cash? The guy said 10 and my friend got all excited and
said okay sure. But i interrupted him and said I don't know
thats a bit high can you do 8? He thought about it and said
sure. I got 2 dollars PC cause of that...lols hey 2 dollars
for saying 1 sentence is not bad at all.
T-Pain: Be aware of people saying, "My vendor pays x for
this card".
[I like how thorough MP was with their response, but all of
these are key points to remember. -side note: I like
Astley's idea, Starcity Games has a clamp on organized play
right now in MTG for a reason.-]
12. Is there anything that you would like to add?
Comments/ideas/thoughts?
Astley: Hustling happens and it's something that is in the
game. Be aware and don't fall into the "I'm a vendor" trap.
Many people will say this to justify their values and make
you feel comfortable.
MP1: I don't like the word hustler or juicer. I feel like i
am helping the other person just as much as I am profiting.
He/She is getting $ in hand which a lot of people like for
crap cards that they don't give a crap about. As long as you
don't pressure the other person into selling if he wants to
sell a BLS for 10 dollars its his decision. Note: If a kid
says 10 dollars for his Cardcar D please give him a bunch of
other cards he needs for his deck...I do not promote totally
Demolishing a kid in a trade...
Thank you to everyone who submitted responses to my
questionnaire and being so cooperative with the relatively
short time frame given. I hope taht this has helped
readers learn some tricks to not fall for other people's
tricks. If anyone would like to discuss it further, or
just want to talk about the game, feel free to contact me
via social media websites:
facebook: facebook.com/shakezilluh
youtube: themcshakealchemist
pojo forum: themcshakealchemis (no T)
twitter: paper_gangsta_
email:
andro_sphinx@yahoo.com
Never stop learning
Never stop testing
Sean Handy
The McShake Alchemist
*As promised in my previous article, all of their names have
been changed to protect their identities.**
**They are as trolly as I could think of while still bring
appropriate.
***DWD was valued at around 8$ for a super rare at the time.
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